Twitch Chat for [Kipp] Strat Chat #7: Phantoon (Guest: Sloaters27)

VOD: https://youtu.be/VXGUwAziPiE

 

[0:00:00] TrueMoss: About OT start....

[0:00:01] KonaChocolate: :D /

[0:00:03] Maniacal42: "stream is about ot start"? but yeah

[0:00:08] Maniacal42: looks awesome

[0:00:10] LovelyBunny89: This is the first strat chat for me.

[0:00:13] KonaChocolate: Oh i messed it up

[0:00:14] KonaChocolate: mb :(

[0:00:17] TrueMoss: reverse to order :P

[0:00:21] KonaChocolate: @kipp you can edit that btw

[0:00:21] Maniacal42: ^

[0:00:21] theClarevoyant: i hear muuuuuusic

[0:00:42] TrueMoss: love it Kona! <3 <3

[0:00:50] KonaChocolate: <3

[0:01:06] Maniacal42: I love the landing site in the bg. Looks slick.

[0:01:14] SuperNinTaylor: Teach me to be the best.

[0:01:46] Maniacal42: this is a good week for me to be able to be here, because my boss fights are definitely the weakest part of my game

[0:01:59] fruitbatsalad: i heard sloaters27 was named after the refill station at the bottom of red tower. maybe we'll learn about that

[0:02:16] theClarevoyant: fruitbGood

[0:02:22] TrueMoss: @fruitbatsalad we HAVE to ask that now.

[0:02:24] fruitbatsalad: hi clare fruitbGood

[0:02:54] theClarevoyant: SloatersRefill

[0:03:01] theClarevoyant: nope. doesn't work here.

[0:03:19] Maniacal42: mic is struggling a bit

[0:03:24] fruitbatsalad: mic is choppy

[0:03:33] fruitbatsalad: truemoss sounds good. kipp is choppy

[0:03:34] Maniacal42: moss is SeemsGood

[0:03:49] TrueMoss: i always sound good :)

[0:03:59] Maniacal42: NotLikeThis

[0:04:10] Maniacal42: link clip plz

[0:04:50] theClarevoyant: :O

[0:05:53] Maniacal42: still choppy

[0:05:54] Wumpus_Yob: yo, waddup kipp

[0:06:15] fruitbatsalad: truemoss sounds good. kipp still choppy

[0:06:17] Maniacal42: Moss is good, we hear Kipp and he's choppy

[0:06:22] theClarevoyant: can hear both, only kipp is broken up

[0:06:28] LovelyBunny89: ^ same

[0:06:33] fruitbatsalad: i've had this problem with my mic before. restarting my computer is the only thing I could do to help

[0:06:39] Zohdin: o/

[0:07:11] Kipp: ok

[0:07:13] Edu207: Based Kona

[0:07:15] Wumpus_Yob: kona is awesome

[0:07:16] KonaChocolate: ayy <3

[0:07:18] Kipp: so im gonna have moss go ahead and interview Sloaters

[0:07:21] Maniacal42: Kona SeemsGood

[0:07:22] Kipp: I will try to fix my issues rq

[0:08:12] fruitbatsalad: truemoss and sloaters sound good

[0:08:20] Maniacal42: Sloaters97 is a 100 SeemsGood

[0:09:02] Maniacal42: that new any% time Kreygasm

[0:09:46] Maniacal42: choppy Kipp

[0:09:47] theClarevoyant: choppy

[0:09:48] Zohdin: choppy

[0:09:52] toastytoasts: A bit choppy yeah

[0:09:56] Wumpus_Yob: it's the same

[0:10:03] theClarevoyant: its tolerable tho. carry on

[0:11:46] KonaChocolate: FIXED

[0:11:46] Maniacal42: A+ Kipp

[0:11:46] KonaChocolate: !

[0:11:47] fruitbatsalad: Kipp, audio is good now!

[0:11:53] theClarevoyant: ooooh much better! no choppy

[0:11:54] Maniacal42: Not choppy! maniac71Try

[0:11:59] fruitbatsalad: fruitbGood

[0:12:10] Wumpus_Yob: that's as it should be. friendly rivalries are great. step up your game, moss

[0:12:39] TrueMoss: nice wumpus ;)

[0:12:56] InsaneFirebat: I'm always late :(

[0:16:39] richman3mm: ban any%

[0:16:54] SuperNinTaylor: I banned it in my race

[0:17:20] OwlRTA: crab climbing

[0:17:33] OwlRTA: lol

[0:17:35] toastytoasts: @SuperNinTaylor Great race !

[0:17:40] SuperNinTaylor: Thanks

[0:17:55] SuperNinTaylor: Sloppy early game, but strong finish.

[0:18:01] theClarevoyant: CrabClimb

[0:18:31] toastytoasts: yeah you nailed so many moves and tricks

[0:19:34] toastytoasts: also saw you won the alttp race gg on dat SeemsGood

[0:19:57] Maniacal42: can we do a strat chat: springball with sloaters?

[0:20:22] richman3mm: dude I'll hop in on that. springball strat chat sounds hype

[0:20:23] icallpeach: Hey!

[0:20:36] Kipp: yo peach :)

[0:21:16] InsaneFirebat: Sloaters #1

[0:21:27] richman3mm: all luck

[0:21:33] icallpeach: Ohhhhh Sloaters!

[0:22:24] ThisIsGunstar1: wait, i thought it was sloaters97?

[0:23:30] richman3mm: solaters wants that rematch after I finish the derust

[0:24:00] DiabolicalWench: diabolWERP WENCH RAID diabolWERP

[0:24:04] DiabolicalWench: :P

[0:24:15] Kipp: :)

[0:24:27] DiabolicalWench: <3

[0:24:33] toastytoasts: PogChamp

[0:24:43] DiabolicalWench: diabolCHAMP

[0:28:16] Indis099: Sup Kipp

[0:28:23] DiabolicalWench: unless your me and softlock

[0:28:26] DiabolicalWench: :P

[0:28:32] theClarevoyant: lol

[0:28:41] TrueMoss: lol sup wench :)

[0:28:48] DiabolicalWench: sup truemoss

[0:28:53] DiabolicalWench: :D

[0:30:11] DiabolicalWench: ntm just chillin @TrueMoss how are you :D

[0:30:28] TrueMoss: I'm great, thanks!

[0:32:25] toastytoasts: thanks sloaters!

[0:32:39] TrueMoss: Sloaters <3 <3

[0:32:39] theClarevoyant: :D

[0:32:48] theClarevoyant: gg sloaters!

[0:33:05] richman3mm: sloaters learn rotation!!

[0:33:08] DiabolicalWench: bye SLOATS <3

[0:33:13] Wumpus_Yob: speaking of rbo, did you guys see zeni got wr?

[0:33:22] sloaters27: HeyGuys

[0:33:29] DiabolicalWench: @sloaters27 <3

[0:33:44] fruitbatsalad: gg Kona

[0:33:46] KonaChocolate: np yo ;)

[0:33:48] Maniacal42: zeni got it? He was saying it was a day or so out

[0:33:54] DiabolicalWench: @KonaChocolate :D YAY

[0:34:08] DiabolicalWench: @KonaChocolate got a portfolio?

[0:34:36] DiabolicalWench: heya @TrueMoss look at the flow

[0:34:44] KonaChocolate: I think i do ! @DiabolicalWench

[0:35:07] KonaChocolate: I have some old stuff added to imgur dunno if that works ;) @DiabolicalWench

[0:35:19] DiabolicalWench: sure whisper me it

[0:35:47] DiabolicalWench: old route is e

[0:35:52] DiabolicalWench: where its at *

[0:35:56] sloaters27: old route FeelsGoodMan

[0:36:03] InsaneFirebat: doppler ftw

[0:36:29] InsaneFirebat: wiki.supermetroid.run/Phantoon ?

[0:36:33] sloaters27: bingo

[0:36:48] Kipp: yall all feel free to add in tips in chat

[0:36:53] InsaneFirebat: I love that those are easy to type now. ty Total

[0:36:58] Kipp: we all approach it slightly different

[0:37:04] Kipp: so please add your knowledge :)

[0:37:20] xancient_gamerx: are you going over the hybrid strats ?

[0:37:32] Kipp: yes I will go over my hybrid strat

[0:37:38] xancient_gamerx: Okay, cool

[0:39:20] Wumpus_Yob: that's basically the way I did it. save a state so you know the first pattern, then practice that 1 pattern and all 4 2nd round patterns as they come

[0:39:39] Wumpus_Yob: next day change the first pattern, etc

[0:42:07] OwlRTA: if you make a save state in Phantoon on the SNES Classic, it should give the same pattern

[0:42:22] fruitbatsalad: on SD2SNES i made multiple copies of the practice rom so i could keep a save state for each 1st round pattern

[0:42:39] xancient_gamerx: I use the Popplars version, but I've never seen Kipp's

[0:42:49] OwlRTA: I pretend to doppler :P

[0:42:54] Kipp: 2500

[0:42:59] xancient_gamerx: ^^ used to do that

[0:43:01] Kipp: super = 600

[0:43:41] OwlRTA: or you get the special frame :P

[0:45:42] DiabolicalWench: hi noob here how do you even do x factor

[0:45:56] DiabolicalWench: i know you hace bombs on but lol

[0:46:08] Kipp: ok dw

[0:46:14] Kipp: we'll go over it further but here's the basics

[0:46:22] Kipp: an x factor is one of the special beam attacks

[0:46:24] Kipp: SBA

[0:46:30] Kipp: it's the wave special beam attack

[0:46:45] Kipp: if you only have wave beam equipped, and have power bombs selected

[0:46:57] Kipp: you can charge your shot, and after a short time, the x factor will begin

[0:47:02] DiabolicalWench: yeh i know that part but even when i charge the beam they dont hapen

[0:47:08] DiabolicalWench: oh ok

[0:47:08] Kipp: other beams have different SBAs, but x factor is the most used by far

[0:47:30] Kipp: so sbas are associated with one single beam, and pbs

[0:51:01] Wumpus_Yob: as you're learning patterns, you learn the right times to start charging

[0:52:11] Kipp: it's for Super Metroid specifically, since that is the game we run primarily

[0:53:21] Kipp: yeah thatd be pretty hard

[0:53:29] fruitbatsalad: blossom you might like the Frame Savers podcast - it's like an audio version of that

[0:53:35] Kipp: at least for me I'm barely decent at one game haha

[0:53:38] Kipp: but it is a great idea for sure

[0:53:52] Kipp: yeah and this strat chat is featured on Frame Savers!

[0:54:04] Kipp: since I am a patreon of their show

[0:54:17] Kipp: it's great, Authorblues is one of the host, super great guy

[0:54:46] Maniacal42: have you mentioned delaying SBA by turning?

[0:55:07] Kipp: no feel free to add info maniacal

[0:55:07] sloaters27: moss mentioned it

[0:55:23] Kipp: oh yeah, im sorry I meant that I wasnt going to cover it

[0:55:23] Maniacal42: okay, missed it. Minor thing that I thought relevant

[0:55:39] Kipp: he doesnt because he literally cant

[0:55:46] Kipp: in his route he doesnt have wave beam yet

[0:56:15] Wumpus_Yob: dbx goes over flame lame backup strats where you do 2 charged shots

[0:57:00] Wumpus_Yob: so that's 3 more strats to leanr if you're going all out

[0:57:14] Kipp: 2500 dmg needed

[0:57:18] Kipp: x factor = 1200

[0:57:25] Kipp: super missle = 600

[0:57:33] Kipp: reg missiles = 700

[0:57:37] sloaters27: i hate saying this but phantoon is one of those things that you just need to do dozens and dozens of times to really get the feel for

[0:57:46] xancient_gamerx: ^^

[0:57:49] Wumpus_Yob: billions of times

[0:58:05] sloaters27: once you get all this info absorbed, you need to apply it a TON to really understand it

[0:58:08] InsaneFirebat: never stop doing Phantoon

[0:58:52] Wumpus_Yob: and when you put in the practice, you will probably come up with your own variations

[1:00:08] sloaters27: wheres keku with the phantoon sound effects

[1:00:25] ReaperKiing: eh oh!

[1:00:30] Maniacal42: coolFANT coolFANT coolFANT coolFANT

[1:05:16] InsaneFirebat: That mid left is actually kinda hard to hit from the left

[1:05:21] InsaneFirebat: Flames tend to block shots

[1:05:30] InsaneFirebat: only pattern I struggle with

[1:14:27] xancient_gamerx: that is exactly what I needed. Thanks

[1:17:52] dytmook: Bring in sloaters97

[1:18:11] InsaneFirebat: fasters97

[1:18:15] Kipp: lol

[1:18:29] Wumpus_Yob: round 2 right mid is pretty east with the 2nd x factor too

[1:18:34] Wumpus_Yob: easy

[1:18:53] Kipp: yeah def

[1:19:02] Kipp: I think it's the single easiest pattern of all of them

[1:19:24] Maniacal42: round 2 right mid is also super common

[1:19:29] Maniacal42: it's the one nice thing about Phantoon

[1:19:33] InsaneFirebat: yeah, it's the one I tried to teach first to my family members learning the fight

[1:19:49] Kipp: nice

[1:20:35] dytmook: Don't die

[1:21:19] StaticNine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWsZ3mqFPw

[1:21:24] StaticNine: doppler timing

[1:21:25] Kipp: yo static

[1:21:44] StaticNine: sup

[1:21:46] Kipp: yeah that youtube video is excellent

[1:22:05] StaticNine: i watch it once a day before runs to get it in my head

[1:22:24] Kipp: smart

[1:23:05] StaticNine: also, there is an important color change from 1600-1500 health, which lets u know if u need 5+super or 6+super

[1:24:59] InsaneFirebat: I had to train myself to check my ammo count before the doppler to know how many missiles I got off. Subtract any that I noticed missed

[1:26:01] InsaneFirebat: wow

[1:26:03] InsaneFirebat: fast right

[1:26:10] Maniacal42: "O

[1:26:14] Maniacal42: :O *

[1:26:42] StaticNine: im terrible at counting so i don't count. just rely on his color

[1:26:44] Maniacal42: are those 1/256?

[1:27:31] StaticNine: the time it takes phantoon to swing back on screen differs with each pattern too

[1:27:34] Kipp: I actualy never knew that color information

[1:27:40] Kipp: until you mentioned it on discord the other day

[1:27:53] StaticNine: ya its super convenient

[1:28:00] Maniacal42: I didn't/don't know it at all... can we go through it?

[1:28:33] Kipp: im sorry maniacal, what was that?

[1:28:40] Kipp: I dont think I followed the convo

[1:28:42] Maniacal42: phantoon color changes

[1:28:45] Kipp: oh yeah

[1:28:53] Kipp: once you've done 1000 damage, color changes

[1:29:07] StaticNine: it changes once before that, but i don't know when

[1:29:13] Kipp: ah

[1:29:15] Cheatyface4: cheatyMire

[1:29:20] Kipp: yo cheaty

[1:29:27] sloaters27: cheaty PogChamp

[1:29:35] Cheatyface4: sloaters69 Kreygasm

[1:30:28] sloaters27: how did KH2 go?

[1:30:29] dytmook: cheatyMire cheatyMire cheatyMire

[1:30:40] Cheatyface4: I didn't play tonight.

[1:30:43] Cheatyface4: I just got home

[1:31:03] sloaters27: you didnt finish the other night did you?

[1:31:10] Cheatyface4: from 9 am to 10 pm NotLikeThis

[1:31:11] icallpeach: :)

[1:31:18] Cheatyface4: I didn't. I

[1:31:23] sloaters27: okay good

[1:31:24] Cheatyface4: I'm working on materials

[1:31:31] Cheatyface4: gonna finish tomorrow probably

[1:32:01] sloaters27: kipp going in

[1:32:06] Cheatyface4: savage af

[1:34:47] StaticNine: i've got a new strat for hundo for that room that might also work in old route any

[1:34:55] OwlRTA: My strat there is to shoot up, and angle up to the left on the top of the stairs

[1:35:41] StaticNine: i've got a slightly complicated way to shoot out the blocks in a way that u don't need to lay a bomb to bounce up in the hole

[1:36:34] StaticNine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNzrdGiX0Lk

[1:37:52] OwlRTA: https://clips.twitch.tv/FrozenKindPartridgeHeyGirl

[1:38:41] InsaneFirebat: Nice, I've never seen it like that @CanadianOwl98

[1:40:28] InsaneFirebat: Oh, I started keeping the spark on screen to avoid hitting it, but I don't farm the drop.

[1:40:52] InsaneFirebat: Didn't realize I only had to leave it on screen for a bit

[1:41:27] Cheatyface4: omg

[1:41:31] Cheatyface4: I just realized

[1:41:36] Cheatyface4: those tvs have metroids on them

[1:41:41] Cheatyface4: how did I never see that

[1:41:54] Maniacal42: for an even more beginner-friendly attic, you can super the first atomic while you charge and then spark lower

[1:41:56] dytmook: Bc you're so focused in this room

[1:43:04] DiabolicalWench: OHHH NOOO this room *cries* i soft locked in here today

[1:43:07] StaticNine: be careful with the practice hack in WRITG, it's a lot less laggy

[1:43:13] DiabolicalWench: whyyyyy whyyyy

[1:43:18] dytmook: F for you wench

[1:43:30] DiabolicalWench: i ran out of super bombs

[1:43:44] DiabolicalWench: *cries*

[1:44:06] StaticNine: probably not too bad with old route any+plasma

[1:45:34] FrenchLightningJohn: not ki-hunter, space pirate

[1:45:52] DiabolicalWench: ^

[1:46:00] DiabolicalWench: I didnt wanna say anything

[1:46:01] DiabolicalWench: Lmsoo

[1:46:03] DiabolicalWench: lmao

[1:46:08] dytmook: Meh I know what he means

[1:46:21] Wumpus_Yob: that strat is position-based instead of timing based

[1:46:32] Avrysatos: hello guest!

[1:46:36] FrenchLightningJohn: LUL

[1:47:24] Avrysatos: KonCha

[1:48:35] Avrysatos: o_o

[1:49:03] dytmook: Sephy uses that

[1:49:19] Cheatyface4: I used that one for awhile.

[1:49:24] Avrysatos: I didn't know there was more than one strat for this room wow...

[1:49:34] Cheatyface4: I wouldn't recommend

[1:49:39] Cheatyface4: at least for newer runners

[1:49:48] OwlRTA: I have a strat for this room that involves killing two of the pirates with one shot https://clips.twitch.tv/CrepuscularPlacidElephantEagleEye

[1:50:00] DiabolicalWench: the next room fucks me too

[1:50:14] dytmook: It does us all

[1:50:18] Wumpus_Yob: it's probabaly better to just kill that one in old route

[1:51:03] Cheatyface4: s l o a t y Kreygasm

[1:51:07] sloaters27: thanks for having me :)

[1:51:19] dytmook: Sloaters sloaters sloaters

[1:51:28] Cheatyface4: if you don't follow sloaters you're living your life wrong FUNgineer

[1:51:38] dytmook: ^

[1:51:47] Wumpus_Yob: thanks guys. good stuff

[1:52:17] InsaneFirebat: thanks for the show @Kipp @TrueMoss @sloaters27

[1:52:19] Wumpus_Yob: wait if he's sloaters27, then who is sloaters87?

[1:52:29] OwlRTA: crosby Kappa

[1:52:39] dytmook: They're multiplying @wumpus_yob

[1:52:53] dytmook: Don't ask me

[1:52:58] sloaters27: Master Foosda Kreygasm

[1:53:06] Cheatyface4: sensei PogChamp

[1:53:22] dytmook: Get his memeness sephy

[1:54:38] sloaters27: Runs Begins....Over

[1:55:09] FrenchLightningJohn: night

[1:55:17] TrueMoss: update that any% time. no longer 19th.... :)

[1:55:26] InsaneFirebat: didn't get to see final split!

[1:55:33] InsaneFirebat: lol jk

[1:55:55] Kipp: haha

[1:55:56] richman3mm: dude. low% ice pb?

[1:55:57] Kipp: my bad dude

[1:56:05] richman3mm: what is happening to me.

[1:56:08] fruitbatsalad: was that a strat chat PB? gg

[1:56:22] richman3mm: also seems like another good strat chat. keep it up guys

[1:56:24] TrueMoss: yeah, gold split on strat chat

[1:56:35] sloaters27: i wonder what strat chat SoB is :thinking:

[1:56:41] fruitbatsalad: thanks for the show

[1:56:45] richman3mm: lol

[1:56:51] Kipp: thanks everybody <3

[1:57:44] Cheatyface4: deerCozy

[1:58:04] Kipp: lol

[1:58:08] Kipp: we def dropped our sob tonight

[1:58:28] Kipp: I'll be back in a bit

[1:58:31] Kipp: yall all have a good one :)

[1:58:35] richman3mm: later man