Twitch Chat for [Kipp] Strat Chat #6: Ammo Management (Guest: ElminsterRTA)

VOD: https://youtu.be/g-DxXTRV0kw

 

[0:00:00] Kipp: fruitbGood

[0:00:42] TrueMoss: YEEEEEEH BOOOOOOIIII!

[0:01:46] gambrosia: southe1Gold

[0:02:12] gambrosia: nice tunes

[0:02:16] Kipp: yo gamb

[0:03:35] gambrosia: gg!

[0:04:18] InsaneFirebat: wow, a 1 min PB for 44?!

[0:04:26] InsaneFirebat: That's amazing

[0:04:44] laferstyle: TrueMoss is tied with true faith

[0:06:31] Edu207: Is that true? Kappa

[0:07:12] laferstyle: you can leave rooms too fast?

[0:07:35] Edu207: Elm OhMyDog

[0:08:23] TrueMoss: @lackeylannister if you leave botwoon before the wall is finished exploding, you miss the flag for dead botwoon

[0:09:00] laferstyle: I see, thanks

[0:11:07] InsaneFirebat: <3 Dessy rando

[0:13:42] Kapimozr: so many WRs you cant even list them all Kreygasm

[0:13:54] gambrosia: FF6 rando is Kreygasm

[0:19:02] InsaneFirebat: uncharted territory has its appeal

[0:19:27] DorkmasterFlek: Uncharted pearitory elmPear

[0:19:54] DorkmasterFlek: PearNet strikes again LUL

[0:19:56] Kapimozr: doing new stuff is really cool tbh

[0:20:00] Kapimozr: hi flek gl

[0:20:07] DorkmasterFlek: elmPear /

[0:20:25] Kapimozr: I like that there are splits for this

[0:20:34] DorkmasterFlek: That is a nice touch SeemsGood

[0:20:42] Kipp: fruitbGood

[0:20:56] drdestructo1345: southe1Drd southe1Drd

[0:21:10] Kipp: southe1Drd southe1Drd southe1Drd

[0:21:17] pidgezero_one: speed run

[0:22:13] pidgezero_one: elmPear

[0:22:42] DorkmasterFlek: Redesign NotLikeThis

[0:23:58] Kipp: thanks Dork

[0:25:24] personitis: It's still a questionable idea SeemsGood

[0:25:32] laferstyle: is this bad connection?

[0:25:36] Kapimozr: elmternet

[0:25:48] Audraxys: yeah my net is awful

[0:25:52] Kapimozr: :/

[0:25:53] Audraxys: sry

[0:25:56] Kipp: np

[0:26:12] Kapimozr: it mostly isnt bad

[0:26:15] DorkmasterFlek: Elm's internet is powered by pears elmPear

[0:27:14] jang1es: what are the best hacks for a relative beginner to try first?

[0:28:57] DorkmasterFlek: Legacy is about the same difficulty as vanilla, pretty good

[0:29:00] DorkmasterFlek: Hyper is great

[0:29:07] DorkmasterFlek: I really enjoyed that one

[0:29:11] gambrosia: Hyper and Erith are fun

[0:29:14] gambrosia: but vanilla is best

[0:29:24] personitis: Eris* ;)

[0:29:28] gambrosia: yeah that

[0:29:32] DorkmasterFlek: Haven't tried Eris yet

[0:29:47] InsaneFirebat: Randos are a good answer to that imo

[0:29:48] DorkmasterFlek: The item rando is quite fun

[0:32:36] pidgezero_one: elmPear elmPear elmPear

[0:32:43] DorkmasterFlek: elmPear elmPear elmPear

[0:32:49] Kapimozr: elmPear elmPear elmPear

[0:36:29] DorkmasterFlek: Com elmPear atively

[0:37:37] Audraxys: djslkgjg

[0:41:25] Kipp: thanks pidge

[0:42:15] Kapimozr: is that a real candle in the background

[0:42:26] pidgezero_one: ;)

[0:42:32] Kipp: yeah I use one from time to time

[0:42:40] Kapimozr: nice I like it

[0:42:47] Kapimozr: thats an aesthetic candle

[0:42:50] Kipp: smells good pliski1SmellsGoodMan

[0:43:02] Kapimozr: SeemsGood SeemsGood

[0:44:33] Boostin302: they never go where you want them to go when you need it the most

[0:47:07] InsaneFirebat: I recently went through SRL's race history for SM and found Elm's first races

[0:49:18] Boostin302: the important question is did you fight spospo in that race?

[0:49:44] InsaneFirebat: 3:38:14... I'd guess that he did xD

[0:54:02] Boostin302: well im off to run eris

[0:54:06] Boostin302: cya ya

[0:54:10] Kapimozr: gl

[0:56:08] Kapimozr: thanks elm <3

[0:56:30] DorkmasterFlek: elmPear <3

[0:56:42] Makotroid: thx <3 Elm

[0:56:56] Audraxys: <3

[0:57:01] OwlRTA: elm, the guy with powerpoint internet :P

[0:57:03] Audraxys: hoo boy

[0:57:11] personitis: pearerpower*

[0:57:15] DorkmasterFlek: gl in the tournament pear man elmPear

[0:57:16] Audraxys: also nice pic, i look pretty upset at someone in that

[0:58:26] Kipp: haha

[1:02:30] Swiss225: mic muted

[1:02:38] Kapimozr: opes

[1:02:42] Audraxys: yeah can't hear kipp at all

[1:02:52] Kapimozr: it happened on scene transition

[1:02:55] Aponte350: is this like, a tutorial stream? PogChamp

[1:03:19] Swiss225: yea the scene doesnt have ur mic i guess

[1:03:31] Kipp: yeah we just discuss some concepts to help people prepare for different strats or situations

[1:03:39] Aponte350: niiiice

[1:03:45] Swiss225: we can hear u now kip

[1:03:56] Swiss225: just not when u change to ur cam lol

[1:04:03] Kipp: cool I bet I accidentally muted it when trying to get rid of one of the pictures

[1:04:23] Kapimozr: deleted mic instead of picture lol

[1:04:53] Swiss225: fixed

[1:05:41] Audraxys: kzans PogChamp

[1:06:02] OwlRTA: I usually super the ice door on my first visit to norfair so that I don't worry about it later

[1:06:48] Audraxys: that seems ok if you're still getting kraid's etank

[1:07:11] Audraxys: but high super count out of norfair 1 lets you get more cacatac health

[1:10:35] Audraxys: i don't know if the second room has a name at all

[1:10:51] Audraxys: i'll see what the wiki says

[1:10:55] Luna_Starisms: they're both cac alley on wiki (east and west)

[1:11:19] InsaneFirebat: Same wiki page for both rooms even

[1:11:37] Audraxys: hm interesting

[1:11:46] Audraxys: makes sense

[1:12:17] Audraxys: i like how you go through this backwards in hundo too

[1:12:29] icallpeach: Hey you guys!

[1:12:43] Kipp: yo peach

[1:12:51] icallpeach: :D

[1:13:20] Audraxys: if you downback too early there, i guess you land on the top ledge?

[1:14:08] Audraxys: mmm

[1:17:47] InsaneFirebat: Choots (Pancakes) actually have a 24% super drop chance. Puyos only 4%

[1:18:15] Audraxys: better than 2% Kappa

[1:19:44] InsaneFirebat: on nice, gonna use that one

[1:21:02] Audraxys: think the lesson here is, if you're not toilet trained, you might miss and make a mess OpieOP

[1:21:10] TrueMoss: lol elm

[1:21:11] kelcharge: oatsP

[1:22:48] Audraxys: pillars room i think is it

[1:23:49] Audraxys: the small desgeegas are 99.6% pb drops

[1:23:58] TrueMoss: https://wiki.supermetroid.run/Sm._Dessgeega

[1:23:59] Audraxys: like cacatac level guarantee

[1:25:38] icallpeach: Cool shirt

[1:25:57] TrueMoss: https://wiki.supermetroid.run/Viola

[1:26:39] OwlRTA: Shame PogChamp

[1:28:23] Audraxys: you don't wanna hold down for that bombspread, just morph and let go

[1:28:33] TrueMoss: ^

[1:28:36] Audraxys: just to be clear. otherwise it builds up like that

[1:29:11] Audraxys: that pb drop is like 2% lmao

[1:29:25] Kipp: and of course I get it lol

[1:29:28] Kipp: for strat chat

[1:29:32] Audraxys: amazing

[1:29:43] Kipp: actually the first time I made it to wasteland without a super

[1:29:47] Kipp: I didnt know the drop rates

[1:29:50] Kipp: and I got a super

[1:29:53] Kipp: and was just like, hey cool

[1:29:58] Audraxys: lol nice

[1:30:00] Kipp: I had no idea how lucky I got

[1:30:09] Audraxys: wasteland is probably the worst place to be without a super

[1:30:15] Kipp: yeah it's awful

[1:30:28] Kipp: even the kii hunters dont have a really high rate iirc

[1:30:29] Audraxys: if you mess up that bad, the actual best option is to kill red kihunters

[1:30:32] Audraxys: 24%

[1:30:38] Kipp: yeah

[1:30:44] Kipp: which is decent, but not guarantee

[1:30:49] Kipp: and eats a ton of time FeelsBadMan

[1:31:21] Kipp: @icallpeach thanks btw

[1:31:29] Audraxys: are we doing northern route now? cause

[1:31:57] Kipp: Winston hype

[1:32:00] Audraxys: if you don't get a super from those novas there, i'd actually suggest dropping down to farm the gamets in the room before bubble mountain

[1:32:11] Audraxys: better than reloading the room and way more likely you get something

[1:32:17] Kipp: true

[1:32:17] Audraxys: the gamets are the stacks of 5 bugs

[1:32:23] icallpeach: :) lookin sharp!

[1:32:25] Kipp: low ice strats

[1:32:29] Kipp: :)

[1:33:53] Audraxys: i think it's 4?

[1:34:14] Audraxys: oh it's 3

[1:38:08] Audraxys: the old fast pillars using the other room is a relic of the game time era

[1:38:23] Kipp: exactly

[1:38:41] Audraxys: so is full halfie with a gravity jump

[1:38:46] InsaneFirebat: I use the gate room because I don't do stutters

[1:38:46] Kipp: I actually had no idea but that four-way comparison video was eye-opening

[1:38:51] Audraxys: that's legit how people used to do it

[1:39:19] Audraxys: yeah the comparison videos are really cool

[1:39:50] Audraxys: oh wow hm

[1:39:57] Kipp: peach is an expert on RTA vs IGT strats

[1:40:12] Kipp: RTA strats are really interesting in old route LN

[1:40:12] Audraxys: the strat i usually do here is the plasma shot to kill both

[1:40:15] Kipp: lots of rooms

[1:40:26] Audraxys: but i guess that temp blue suit kill would work for new route

[1:40:32] Audraxys: don't see anyone do it tho

[1:40:49] InsaneFirebat: No space jump in new route

[1:40:58] Audraxys: oh right

[1:41:15] Audraxys: that would be why

[1:44:33] Audraxys: i used to sj across holtz room with no prior running speed, its basically perfect for dodging their swoops

[1:45:55] chewbaccacaca: KippChewy KippChewy

[1:46:10] Kipp: yo chewy whats up

[1:47:35] OwlRTA: those are foxes, not seahorses DansGame

[1:49:33] Audraxys: oh

[1:49:49] Audraxys: being able to not use item cancel in tourian

[1:53:02] TrueMoss: https://wiki.supermetroid.run/Metroid

[1:53:26] TrueMoss: https://wiki.supermetroid.run/Enemies#How_Drops_Work

[1:54:05] Audraxys: its much nicer to avoid having to use missiles in room 1 too

[1:54:34] Audraxys: room 2 and 4 you can take advantage of grouping to lose less time, and room 3 you have a much better idea of whether its necessary

[1:55:17] Audraxys: lolol

[1:55:27] Audraxys: the way mb1 works isn't well understood by most people

[1:55:41] Audraxys: and i think its kinda important

[1:56:03] Kipp: yeah I think it's incredibly important

[1:56:13] Kipp: ive seen a lot of folks softlock themselves

[1:56:18] Kipp: just because they dont know

[1:56:33] Audraxys: they also see their count post-metroids

[1:56:47] Audraxys: and either think they can't recover with 20/7 or so

[1:56:56] Audraxys: or see 20/8 and think they can use a super somewhere they can't, something like that

[1:57:03] Audraxys: or they're not sure what to do with 19/x or whatever

[1:57:36] Kipp: yeah

[1:57:53] Kipp: the math isnt overly complex, but can be overwhelming on the fly if you dont fully understand it

[1:58:04] OwlRTA: spam spam spam

[1:58:06] icallpeach: Math is always complex lol

[1:58:33] Audraxys: this is completely irrel to vanilla, but since i'm here, the item drop values in redesign are so bugged that none of the tier 1/2 rules hold

[1:58:43] Kipp: haha peach

[1:58:46] Kipp: interesting

[1:59:13] Audraxys: and there are some enemies where if you are missing either full health or full missiles, they won't drop any supers/pbs, and there are some enemies that will never drop reg missiles if you're full on supers

[1:59:17] Audraxys: its hilariously bad

[2:00:06] Kipp: 6 projectiles to break the glass

[2:00:13] Kipp: 3000 damage on MB1 head

[2:00:16] Kipp: in additoin

[2:00:27] Kipp: you need 12 projectiles to land on MB1

[2:00:29] Kipp: or 18 total

[2:00:52] InsaneFirebat: So 6 missiles and 10 supers won't work

[2:01:57] Audraxys: so you can actually trigger from that state there by just shooting the edge of the glass with missiles

[2:02:12] Audraxys: yep

[2:02:17] Audraxys: SeemsGood

[2:02:19] InsaneFirebat: Didn't know that last part

[2:03:22] Audraxys: i have seen some people use missiles on the doors to try and save their supers

[2:03:33] Audraxys: but that works against you, so don't do that

[2:03:40] mulletwithheadlights: Do you think you are less likely to get sniped if you shoot them at the start?

[2:03:57] InsaneFirebat: That's my theory for shooting supers asap

[2:04:09] Audraxys: slightly i would say

[2:04:11] InsaneFirebat: turrets tend to shoot that way later on more than early on

[2:04:21] mulletwithheadlights: thanks firebar

[2:04:26] mulletwithheadlights: firebat*

[2:04:36] Audraxys: also you're gonna freeze the rinkas right away

[2:04:42] Audraxys: so you're good for a bit

[2:04:52] Audraxys: then later they respawn and you have a bit more difficult of a time

[2:04:56] mulletwithheadlights: I see many runners kill the rinkas immediately

[2:05:09] Audraxys: oh yeah you want to kill them, reduces lag

[2:05:24] Audraxys: but the fact you froze them makes the ice timer need to run out before they can respawn

[2:05:31] Audraxys: which is nice

[2:05:38] Kipp: exactly

[2:05:41] icallpeach: Good chat tonight, Kipp

[2:05:41] Kipp: that ice timer is very nice

[2:05:44] Kipp: thanks peach

[2:05:48] Kipp: in something like low speed

[2:05:54] mulletwithheadlights: oh wow the respawn timer counts down their frozen time.. interesting

[2:05:54] Kipp: not being able to freeze the rinkas is brutal

[2:05:57] Kipp: in comparison at least

[2:05:58] Audraxys: that does not seem to work for farm bugs and other respawning enemies (thankfully) but i do not understand why

[2:06:07] Audraxys: lol low% speed sucks

[2:06:13] Kipp: yeah

[2:06:14] Kipp: that room

[2:06:16] Kipp: just sucks

[2:06:19] Kipp: speed zeb skip

[2:06:21] Kipp: no freeze rinka

[2:06:25] Kipp: 300 shot mb2

[2:06:29] Kipp: FeelsBadMan

[2:06:37] Audraxys: the 14% category of metroid legacy that i run

[2:06:43] Audraxys: is actually a more brutal version of low% speed

[2:06:48] Kipp: ugh

[2:07:02] Kipp: Ive only had one low speed run where I didnt die

[2:07:09] Audraxys: it has an extra metroid room, and the best part is

[2:07:09] Kipp: hard to imagine worse

[2:07:13] Audraxys: the floor of ridley's room is uneven

[2:07:23] Audraxys: and the acid rises over one section of it

[2:07:28] Kipp: oh yeah I think I've watched you and Foosda do that

[2:07:41] Kipp: or maybe im thinking of a different hack

[2:08:09] Audraxys: we both spent like 30 hours on ridley in low% hyper metroid, which is harder (but has an even floor)

[2:08:18] Kipp: yeah thats what I'm thinking of

[2:08:19] Audraxys: but he also did legacy low% too

[2:08:35] Audraxys: mostly to show me up for being bad at ridley lol

[2:09:08] mulletwithheadlights: Thanks Moss

[2:09:22] Audraxys: i'm pretty impressed by the improvements

[2:09:31] Audraxys: kipp's rbo time is really good

[2:09:32] icallpeach: Night guys!

[2:10:15] Audraxys: yeahhh rbo tests your mettle in a different way for sure

[2:10:18] Kipp: thanks Elm

[2:10:31] icallpeach: :)

[2:10:32] mulletwithheadlights: one mistake and you are boned

[2:10:38] Audraxys: there's a reason its easier to place high

[2:10:47] InsaneFirebat: Thanks for the stream, Kipp, TrueMoss, and Elminster!

[2:10:55] Audraxys: ty kipp and moss for having me

[2:10:55] icallpeach: Good stuff

[2:11:13] RobMSantos: Good chat!

[2:11:18] Kipp: yeah our pleasure

[2:11:20] personitis: ty for stream dudes. Learned a few things even as a vet.

[2:11:20] TrueMoss: later everyone, thanks!

[2:11:21] Kipp: good night everybody! <3